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    I started a similar thread on Perth Cichlids Society Forums, but I want to see what responses I'd get here on AL.

    So basically, to rephrase what I said there, I'm looking into breeding fish for profit (it's certainly more interesting than a job at Macca's or Woolies) and I'm trying to find what species to breed. I'm looking for something smallish (which is why I'm not gonna breed stingrays, saratogas or Murray cod, I don't huge tanks), easy to somewhat-easy to breed, and sellable for a decent price. Rarity may also be a selling factor.

    Garden variety livebearers such as guppies and mollies are boring, and not exactly uncommon, also already very cheap at various LFS and pet stores, which is why I wouldn't be breeding them.

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    Is hard to make a profit breeding fish, grow your own food, solar, and finding that hard to get , fast growing and breeding fish, with people willing to buy.
    Would suggest something you can sell in bulk rather than 1 at a time, LFS will take them if you do the right fish.
    Nothing you do not already know I guess.
    I am working on red bristlenose, so hard to find.

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    There must be a few fish out there that meet the criterion of hardiness and profitability. Obviously, selling in bulk would be recommended for the smaller cheaper species, while only the more expensive fish bringing in some income with a single individual alone.

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    Good luck with your search , I am sure there are fish that fit what you are after.
    Forum is not that busy , so answers are a long time coming.

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    How about micro fish such as CPD, threadfins, pacific blue eyes?? Bristle nose and twiggies?

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    Probably not cpd or Erythromicron, I’ve already saturated that market in Perth
    You need to breed ‘hard to breed fish’ (which are also rare for same reason) eg torpedo barbs, purple pencil fish etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel View Post
    How about micro fish such as CPD, threadfins, pacific blue eyes?? Bristle nose and twiggies?
    Micro fish would be interesting and not too difficult to specialise in, it wouldn't be too demanding in terms of facilities, e.g. I wouldn't need huge 500+ litre tanks to just keep a small group.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishandme3 View Post
    Probably not cpd or Erythromicron, I’ve already saturated that market in Perth
    You need to breed ‘hard to breed fish’ (which are also rare for same reason) eg torpedo barbs, purple pencil fish etc
    Does 'hard to breed' necessarily imply demand?

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    You need to breed in rather large numbers for this to be "profitable" and sell wholesale. Your $5 guppy in your LFS is cents at the wholesale level Don't forget to factor in your time, food, electricity, water, so on so on. You'll soon come to realise those of us who breed here are not making much money, if any, and 99% of goes straight back in the hobby anyway. Personally if my aim was to breed purely for profit, i'd be picking something that requires minimal handling and effort like guppies. Maybe pick the nicer strains of fancy guppies and breed and sell in good numbers. Focus on a few types or species only. CPD, etc all require you to collect eggs in order to get high enough numbers for wholesale and that gets old quick if your purely in it for money IMO, they are also "specialty" fish IMO and look crappy at an LFS 95% of the time so don't sell to the non enthusiasts Thats just my 2cents as a breeder.

    If you want to make a good chunk of change, get a good number of tanks, big ones for growing out fry and be prepared for large water changes several times per week and feeding several times per day. And pick bread and butter fish and be happy to get rid of them quickly. All the specialty ones you can't really offload in large enough numbers to one place, there is alot of work and man hours involved in it if your selling a batch of 10 to another hobbyists or 20 to an LFS.

    No trying to discourage you, i'm all for breeders in the hobby. The more the merrier infact! It brings more fish into the hobby and will make fish more available and cheaper, so its a win win for the hobby really. Just dont expect to make much especially on a small scale, and be prepared for the work on a large scale. I know a few guys who breed for profit, however they work 40+ hours weeks in their fish rooms (and all of them also work 40+ hour weeks at a day job).

    Good luck, let us know what you decide to breed. I'd love to see some rare stuff (like what FM3 suggested) back in the hobby Count me in for some fry of them too
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    Fancy endlers also breed quickly; no matter how fancy.

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    lol@ Indir's Signature
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    Livebearers would obviously be best easiest to breed on a large scale but obviously large scale breeding requires a considerable amount of work and equipment; a lot of tanks, food and power running at once. The best fish to breed would be the ones that are rare and would fetch a decent price for just a single individual. With their rarity comes the potential challenges that come with breeding a potentially hard-to-breed fish, but if it’s successful, then it would be quite an achievement.

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    @BDA- Thought I was joking huh? Hahaha. Can't post quotes in signatures, or it would have been a direct quote. Hahaha

    @pseudechisbutleri - Don't forget that majority of those rare fish are specialty fish, which will not move nearly as fast as something like a guppy would. So you might be sitting on them for a while, and selling wholesale even is difficult for the same reasons. Its a bit of a catch 22 You could try something like african cichlids? They seem to have a decent market behind them from the looks of things (though im not into them much so could be wrong) and don't seem to be too difficult to breed.

    If your aim is to breed something challenging, the profit won't be there after the effort you put in to get them to spawn and raise fry. My 2 cents as someone who does this
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    My opinion based on my own experience: I can never have enough guppies to sell to the public unlike dwarf cichlids which I cannot shift even in a big market like Sydney. Would be different if I posted live fish I guess. If I was to breed for profit I would go Melanotaenia praecox which are easy to breed and raise and there is a market for them. Species as mentioned above by FM3 I concur with. The African cichlid market is oversaturated IMO at least in Sydney and Endlers are on the way out based on discussions with shop owners and I always found them overrated (essentially just less impressive guppies). I'm sure that comment will get blood boiling.
    As a consumer I would be interested in dwarf cichlids, killis and labyrinth fish but that market is too small for a profit unless you service all of Australia IMO.
    Lastly, have you ever dealt with the general public through gumtree etc? Let me tell you, it is painful. The other day I had a guy who after 10 sms and 30 minutes at my place bought a fish for 2$. Since I pay for my sms I probably made 20cents profit. For sanity reasons I would much prefer wholesale to pet shops or small scale sales to like minded enthusiasts on forums although even here there are requests for more photos etc.
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    Guess this business isn’t as straightforward as it may seem. If I am to successfully breed fish, it would obviously be a good idea to breed a fish that I’m interested in and won’t get boring, even when not breeding. No offence but cichlids in general do not interest me, in fact my area of interest and expertise, as you might be able to gather, is southwestern Australian natives. They are a small group of fishes that would be ideal to specialize in, as nobody else seems to have. Additionally, there are few records for these species breeding in captivity (they’re rarely present in most LFS and pet stores too) and there’d be little competition if I did manage to breed and sell them. Also, certain species could certainly benefit from captive breeding, given their threatened status, though the breeding of these species would be more of a conservation achievement, focusing less on profitability, which still may be a benefit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happyfins View Post
    My opinion based on my own experience: I can never have enough guppies to sell to the public unlike dwarf cichlids which I cannot shift even in a big market like Sydney. Would be different if I posted live fish I guess. If I was to breed for profit I would go Melanotaenia praecox which are easy to breed and raise and there is a market for them. Species as mentioned above by FM3 I concur with. The African cichlid market is oversaturated IMO at least in Sydney and Endlers are on the way out based on discussions with shop owners and I always found them overrated (essentially just less impressive guppies). I'm sure that comment will get blood boiling.
    I’ll keep melanotaenia praecox in mind, I’ll need to do some more research into them.

    Quote Originally Posted by happyfins View Post
    As a consumer I would be interested in dwarf cichlids, killis and labyrinth fish but that market is too small for a profit unless you service all of Australia IMO.
    Lastly, have you ever dealt with the general public through gumtree etc? Let me tell you, it is painful. The other day I had a guy who after 10 sms and 30 minutes at my place bought a fish for 2$. Since I pay for my sms I probably made 20cents profit. For sanity reasons I would much prefer wholesale to pet shops or small scale sales to like minded enthusiasts on forums although even here there are requests for test more photos etc.
    Gumtree seems too casual for a business, you’re right, it would be more ideal to sell to LFS or other hobbyists online.

    Killies are surprisingly rare here in Perth in spite of how easy they are to keep and breed, perhaps I can exploit this....

    Labyrinth fishes would be another group I could specialize in, bettas and gourami are certainly demand amongst the most casual of hobbyists, as well as more seasoned hobbyists if we’re talking about the less common kinds.

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