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    Cool Pond refurbishment

    Well, In the dreary cold Melbourne winter I need some
    motivation to get out there and do it.
    Whilst moving house almost 2 years ago
    pond with waterfall and 4 goldfish was acquired also.
    It measures 4m x 5m x 0.2-0.5m depth,
    so I figure 4-5,000 litres roughly,
    made of concrete and as far as I could gather
    was perhaps 10, maybe 15 years old.

    As it was when moved in - bucket loads of ludwigia palustris
    and there is a waterfall hiding hiding behind the papyrus
    and elms





    Over time, a bit of clearing to figure out where the edge actually is





    More clearing, those papyrus had escaped from their pots, mission and a half to pull the roots out
    Also had started planting native grasses around the perimeter








    Always some helpers handy to stir up the mud and terrorise the goldfish




    And now recently, the brainwave to remove the volanic rock edging for part to allow a more natural
    progression into a planted area on the left. I have a thought of a fallen tree on the right hand side
    sticking out into the water, removal of remaining papyrus replace with native/indigenous reeds.
    Overflow runs into an agi then off elsewhere but before it gets quite damp so nice spot for a bog garden
    Also the removal of the elms (became very ugly very quickly when the beetles got to them - that's what I used for an excuse anyway)






    Filtration is a problem, it has a pool pump that sucks in from the waterfall base and out
    waterfall and also the 'fountain' pipe.
    ATM I only give it a run once or twice a week because it inflates the power bill
    so much. This coupled with the goldfish results in a thick layer of suspended muck resting on the bottom.
    Think I may look into the the diy and ditch the pool pump




    Next up plan to figure out a filter system then drain and remove the fish and remove the gunk build up
    Last edited by linchpin; 07-07-16 at 01:31 PM.
    Cheers
    Adam

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    Very nice, Adam! Oh, the possibilities you could do with something like that!

    I don't know much about native reeds, but I am a big fan of Lomandra longifolia (that's the native one) which I think would look great for around the edges.

    Have you got any plans for some cold-water plants for inside the pond?
    Last edited by Cryptocorynus; 07-07-16 at 06:38 PM.

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    Thanks mate.
    I do have a couple of self seeded lomandra around the place so could use a couple, although
    these also get quite large, may look into some of the smaller lomandras.
    Most of the reeds are knobbly club rush and similar
    ATM will try to clean up the outside with some marsilea and hydrocotyle, maybe some bacopa to creep
    Not sure how cold tolerant some of my plants will be. Possibly try some ranunculus, some java fern in there seems ok with the
    low temps now and I had put some native val in there but it seems to have melted
    Cheers
    Adam

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    Wow what a great pond!

    IME java fern won't do well in the thick of the winter. It doesn't die but the leaves get very black etc. it doesn't go emersed either without very high humidity.

    Native ve hydrocotyle will be fine for winter. I would go puddle pirating a little for mosses etc that you can grow emersed.

    Ask grubs ins as he has plenty of pond plants for Victoria (among many other things like knowledge).

    For me, if I had this, this would be a lifelong project. Never to finish. Always tinker.

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    Cheers Rebel
    Know what you mean - there will always been little
    things to change here and there.
    I actually didn't mind it being very overgrown but
    fish really didn't have any swimming space
    Cheers
    Adam

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    Got around to some more rock bashing - Anyone want any volcanic rock?
    Took them off the top of the waterfall
    Also discovered the pond edge extends beyond the "rock waterfall".
    It was always covered by rocks, It is filled with water so I'm pretty
    sure fish are able to move in and out of it but needs further investigation



    Pool pump and plumbing



    I am leaning towards ditching the existing piping, and using a lowish wattage pump up to
    behind the waterfall and into perhaps a skippy type filter? or trickle type filter?

    I'm open to any suggestions on this given I plan on removing the goldfish and stock with most
    likely coldwater natives and will plant heavily.
    Then outflow across the rocks again
    Cheers
    Adam

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    Your pond is magnificent. That pump however will cost you a fortune to run. I suspect its in the realm of 750 to 1500W. Look into the Laguna Max-Flo. I think the one that pumps 10,000 l/hour is only 125W. You could save the cost of the new pump in electrical usage in a short time (depending on how often you run the pump).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grubs View Post
    Your pond is magnificent. That pump however will cost you a fortune to run. I suspect its in the realm of 750 to 1500W. Look into the Laguna Max-Flo. I think the one that pumps 10,000 l/hour is only 125W. You could save the cost of the new pump in electrical usage in a short time (depending on how often you run the pump).
    The one that we just bought for the hothouse was this one. It's 11,000lph for only 112W.
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    Yeah , Ive been looking into the pumps
    I thought possibly around the 50W or so, probably
    something that gives 3000 - 5000 lph. (need something not too conspicuous on the power bill)
    Head is about 1.2m so depending on which pump it may halve to outflow at filter



    I think possibly a filter on the side then over the waterfall
    or a veggie/bog type (bath?) filter across the top- would also look nicer with plants
    Both filters flow from bottom and out near top.
    The more I research it all becomes even more muddy for the pros and cons for each
    Water clarity or algal blooms have never been a problem and there are enough
    rocks, plants etc for BB to thrive, the filter will be mainly to remove the
    muck that settles on the bottom.
    Cheers
    Adam

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    Wonder whether you can run several hours per day to remove muck rather than all the time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel View Post
    Wonder whether you can run several hours per day to remove muck rather than all the time?
    Possibly ... got a thought about chopping the pvc pipe down and modifying to reduce the settling of the sediment.

    First however, still getting rid of all this crap!


    Cheers
    Adam

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    is there any value in leaving the 'crap' and base as is.

    do a makeover with pond plastic liner (whatever that stuff is). you could hide the plastic edges in to the existing rock. then you have a fresh bottom for pots and plants and whatnot any which way you want.

    https://www.bunnings.com.au/aquapro-...liner_p2810151

    just thinking out loud.

    and while we are at it - Solar Powered Submersible Water Well Pump 230ft Lift. a solar powered pump, can lift way more than you need, $150. this is the ebay one but suspect home and hardware stores locally may have. (first I came across may not be the cheapest or may be overkill). and a solar panel cheap.

    awesome project.
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    Thanks Clickme
    My thoughts were I was overthinking the filtering so
    I ended up grabbing an hozelock ecocel gravity filter for a really
    good price (think it was the last one), worth the money rather than myself stuffing around
    with a DIY box.
    Then I paired this to 3000 litre pump which is sufficient ATM, will
    see how we go with it because more would always be better

    Anyhow I managed to siphon most water out and then shovel the muck







    These rocks sit over the pond edge so these 'caves' go back underneath



    Bit of a spray down



    Then finally ready to fill up again



    Nice to be able to see the bottom...



    A lot more cosmetic things to do and also watyching algae outbreaks as I've most likely
    killed most if not all BB I had.
    Will get some fish in there, just waiting for the water temp to rise a bit more



    Cheers
    Adam

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    What a transformation!!! Looks great.

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    Agree this looks great. Once those lilys in the pots come out its going to look like a real oasis.

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