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    In Cultivation in Australia (grown and propagated)
    Cryptocoryne affinis (formery Cryptocoryne haerteliana)
    Cryptocoryne albida (Aquagreen)
    Cryptocoryne albida 'costata' (Aquagreen)
    Cryptocoryne albida 'korthausae' (Aquagreen)
    Cryptocoryne aponogetifolia (Aquagreen)
    Cryptocoryne beckettii (Aquagreen)
    Cryptocoryne beckettii 'petchii' (formerly Cryptocoryne petchii) (Pisces)
    Cryptocoryne ciliata var. latifolia (Aquarium Gallery Perth)
    Cryptocoryne cordata var. siamensis (Aquagreen)
    Cryptocoryne cordata var. siamensis 'blassii' (Aquagreen)
    Cryptocoryne cordata var. siamensis 'evae' (possibly the same as blassii)
    Cryptocoryne cordata var. siamensis 'rosanervig' (Aquagreen)
    Cryptocoryne crispatula 'red' (Aquagreen) [possibly a form of balansae]
    Cryptocoryne crispatula var. balansae
    Cryptocoryne crispatula var. balansae 'red stem' - red petioles and mid-vein
    Cryptocoryne crispatula var. flaccidifolia (uncertain ID - currently growing emersed to resolve - see Cryptocoryne retrospiralis)
    Cryptocoryne crispatula var. kubotae (was Cryptocoryne tonkinensis link)
    Cryptocoryne moehlmannii (Aquagreen)
    Cryptocoryne noritoi (Aquagreen)
    Cryptocoryne parva (Aquagreen)
    Cryptocoryne pontederiifolia (Aquagreen)
    Cryptocoryne retrospiralis (Aquagreen) (I think this is Cryptocoryne crispatula var. flaccidifolia )
    Cryptocoryne spiralis (Aquagreen)
    Cryptocoryne undulata 'green'
    Cryptocoryne undulata 'red' (Pisces) - includes cultivar 'red sun' once sold by Aqua Depot here until someone can grow and flower the two and show they are indeed different.
    Cryptocoryne usteriana (Aquagreen)
    Cryptocoryne walkeri 'lutea' (Pisces)
    Cryptocoryne wendtii 'Flamingo'
    Cryptocoryne wendtii 'Red/Brown' (Aquagreen) (assuming red & brown are the same)
    Cryptocoryne wendtii 'Green' (Pisces)
    Cryptocoryne wendtii 'broad leaf' (Pisces) (assume = Aquagreen Cryptocoryne Wendtii 'Green2')
    Cryptocoryne wendtii 'Green 'tall' (Pisces)
    Cryptocoryne wendtii 'Mi Oya' (Pisces)
    Cryptocoryne wendtii 'Tropica'
    Cryptocoryne wendtii 'green gecko'
    Cryptocoryne ×willisii (formerly Cryptocoryne nevillii Aquagreen) (also Pisces)
    Cryptocoryne ×willisii `lucens` (may be the same as Cryptocoryne ×willisii (formerly Cryptocoryne nevillii Aquagreen) )

    Confirmed but not established (plant or pictures seen by a forum member, but no evidence of long term survival or propagation)
    Cryptocoryne albida 'brown' (Tropica?)
    Cryptocoryne aura
    Cryptocoryne bullosa [Picture evidence - could be Cryptocoryne affinis reference]
    Cryptocoryne cordata var. cordata (Dennerle) - likely to be a siamensis but different variety to those Aquagreen has sold.
    Cryptocoryne crispatula (Dennerle)
    Cryptocoryne ferruginea
    Cryptocoryne fusca
    Cryptocoryne griffithii
    Cryptocoryne hudoroi
    Cryptocoryne sivadasanii
    Cryptocoryne striolata^
    Cryptocoryne undulata 'broad leaves'
    Cryptocoryne undulata 'brown' (might be same as 'red')
    Cryptocoryne undulata 'Kasselmann'
    Cryptocoryne walkeri 'legroi' (but is it any different to other Cryptocoryne walkeri?)
    Cryptocoryne walkeri 'hobbit' (formerly Cryptocoryne lutea 'hobbit')
    Cryptocoryne wendtii 'kompakt'
    Cryptocoryne cf. ×purpurea (Dennerle - may be a form of cordata)
    Cryptocoryne cf. ×willisii (amicorum) (Aquafluer stock incorrectly named Cryptocoryne amicorum thought to be a form of ×willisii by leaf shape but nobody really knows)

    Unconfirmed Reports (not established and no evidence but someone knows someone who overheard someone that claims to be growing one of these)
    Cryptocoryne keei 'jambusan'
    Cryptocoryne nurii
    Cryptocoryne pygmaea
    Cryptocoryne sp. 'Silver Queen'


    Missing in Action (once recorded in AU but not seen recently)
    Cryptocoryne auriculata ^
    Cryptocoryne bogneri ^
    Cryptocoryne ciliata var. ciliata *¹ (assumption only - article refers to ciliatas (pleural) and I'm assuming the one that is in AU is var. latifolia)
    Cryptocoryne lingua *^ ² synonym Cryptocoryne spathulata *^
    Cryptocoryne longicauda *^
    Cryptocoryne minima
    Cryptocoryne nurii ^¹²
    Cryptocoryne pygmaea ¹ [unconfirmed report]
    Cryptocoryne scurrilis ^
    Cryptocoryne schulzei ^
    Cryptocoryne thwaitesii ^
    Cryptocoryne versteegii
    C. unknown 'nurii' (Fishchick) A few people used to have this plant that was sold by Fishchick as Cryptocoryne nurii but BrianS flowered it and it seems to be something else Have not heard or seen of it for a few years now so its MIA.



    * listed by DAFF BICON as allowed imports for "Aquatic plants for use as nursery stock"
    ^ listed as in AU by Champion et al. 2008. Risk assessment of tradeable aquatic plant species in Australia (fix the link by replacing "***" by the uppercase letters "A P W" without spaces) - stupid forum filter.
    ¹ listed in this Australian Emerse Crypts article on another site
    ² pers comm. from grower

    Note to any plant importers: Cryptocoryne ciliata, Cryptocoryne lingua, Cryptocoryne longicauda, Cryptocoryne spathulata are allowed imports so please add some to your order



    Crypts I'm looking for (let me know if you have one for sale or trade)
    C. affinis
    C. albida (just the straight albida i.e. not costata or korthausae)
    Crypt balansae with really wide leaves (over 2cm) - Aquagreen sold one like this about a decade ago
    C. unknown 'nurii' ex Fishchick
    Any acid loving blackwater crypts (bullosa, fusca, griffithi, nurii)
    + all the Unconfirmed Reports above!
    + all the MIA species above!
    + anything new! 'Silver Queen', 'Florida Sunset' etc



    Synonyms on the DAFF BICON list
    Cryptocoryne haerteliana (= Cryptocoryne affinis)
    Cryptocoryne johorensis (= Cryptocoryne longicauda)
    Cryptocoryne spathulata (= Cryptocoryne lingua)

    Crypts Jeff and Doc are looking for
    Anything thats missing from Jeffs list posted below


    PM any corrections. Offers to supply would be
    Name in parentheses is a rather arbitrary source of the cultivar. as I got it or from "the Crypt List"

    Credit: "the Crypt List" used as a foundation

    I'm mounting (yet another) independent charge to grow all species both immersed and emersed and flower them to hopefully confirm IDs and relate these back to the immersed morphology. Hope to work in with Jeff (fnqld) and Doc (corlis) who are coordinating a similar effort on Facebook to flower as many species as possible and confirm ID's. Link: Cryptocoryne Oz https://www.facebook.com/groups/451670025037672/

    Inspiration in the form of flowers
    Links
    Cryptocoryne Australia - A blog I'm working on to organise my crypt pictures by variety
    Jan D. Bastmeijer's "The Crypts Pages"
    Emerse Crypts - Australian article from Aquarium Keeper Magazine.
    Emersed Enthusiasm blog
    illumbomb’s cryptocoryne blog
    Basia's cryptocoryne: art of cryptocoryne blog - Russian -> Google Translate. Beautiful photos
    Shantha Siri, J.G., and Wijesundara, D.S.A. 2004. Some selected aquatic ornamental plants of Sri Lanka: a simplified guide to identification for Aponogeton (kekatiya), Lagenandra (Ketala) and Cryptocoryne (Atiudayan).
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    I had C. lingua about 7-8 years ago, which I bought form Pisces (strangely enough!). I shared it with Dave, but not sure if it fared well for him. Really nice, unusual crypt. If anybody has decent contacts at Pisces, it would be worth seeing if they still had some tucked away in a corner somewhere.

    C. tonkinensis I've seen also (yes, the genuine narrow one), as TC stock imported from Oriental by some folks I used to work for. It was notoriously difficult to keep in (their) emerse culture, tho. They brought it in twice, and I tried to grow some from the first lot without success. The second lot, unfortunately, never made it out of the hothouses. I've heard from some US keepers that it can be especially sensitive to melt, which may explain why we didn't have a lot of luck with it. Would love to get my hands on it again.

    Would REALLY love to get my hands on bogneri and thwaitesii!
    Cheers,

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    I just spoke to Pisces then. Unfortunately none of them are left except maybe Thwaitesii. I am getting them to have a look in the dark corners of the shed

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    Good job, Shane! If they do turn up any rare and unusual crypts, please do let me know. I will most likely say yes to anything that is reasonable priced, and I image Grubs would also--it would be great if we could get a number of these out of Pisces sheds and into hobbyist hands. I'm in Ashgrove, so perhaps we can do a swap or I can contribute some funds. But I don't want to cut Grubs' lunch--he gets dibs
    Cheers,

    Rufus


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    No problems, guys. I will snatch up everything they have or else re-direct you to them when I get an answer

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    Thanks Shane83 thats great- whatever you can dig up will be a huge win. Rufus - we can share I'm sure. I would love to get these going again and get more out and about before they are lost too. Happy to cover costs and logistics. Rufus if you being local helps I'm happy for you to drive.

    I have been cleaning out my glasshouse and now have stacks of room for propagating up. Will be installing a humidi-tent and foggers this summer too.
    I'm splitting my crypt collection to parallel immersed and emersed and all labeled with the cultivar so I can get flowers for ID and then relate back to the submersed morphology.

    Edit - just added these to the OP. Additional names mentioned in this Australian Emerse Crypts article on another site or from other online sources that mention Crypts that are in Australia.

    Cryptocoryne griffithii,
    Cryptocoryne minima
    Cryptocoryne pygmaea
    Cryptocoryne nurii
    Cryptocoryne noritoi
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    Well, Jeffrey just invited me to this. Crypts ONLY

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    Awesome article, Grubs. Thanks for the link!
    Cheers,

    Rufus


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    Can get Thwaitesii

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    You're blood is worth bottling Shane. Let us know how you want to handle it - you coordinate a group buy or I'm happy to bulk buy and pass on at cost to others... or Rufus can take the lead as he's local .... whatever works for you

    I guess it also depends on how many plants they have.

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    Cryptocoryne tonkinensis

    Looks like a unique one that reminds me of the broad leaf chain sword crossed with a crinum.
    http://www.biolib.cz/IMG/GAL/106593.jpghttp://www.biolib.cz/IMG/GAL/106593.jpg



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    Checking on the rest now. Should be able to secure about 15-20 plants. Honestly I was just gonna buy them all and send them all to Jeff (minus one), unless you have a better idea. You guys are more qualified to handle this one

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    That's awesome Shane; great job! It would be great for Jeff to propagate them if he has the room, but I think it's also a good idea to spread a few around to interested people, especially to be sure that it doesn't get lost. I'll happily take 2 or 3 to put in separate cultures, and I'm happy to pack and ship to Grubs if you'd rather not. I'm going to start some monospecific coffee jar cultures this weekend

    I might start another thread with some links about culturing it?
    Cheers,

    Rufus


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    Rebel, that pic looks a bit more like young balansae to me. The C. tonkinensis I've sen is really a lot more like these pics:
    https://www.aquasabi.com/aquatic-pla...ar-tonkinensis
    http://www.aquaspotworld.com/product/detail/441

    Much thinner, and more copper/bronze-coloured. A really nice plant
    Cheers,

    Rufus


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    Jeff has said he will take them all. I will keep one for myself, and send as many as I can around to you guys as well at cost. I would love to follow a thread on culturing it. I've secured the pots for next week. He says they are around 10cm or less. A little immature but he will release them. I will let you know when they are here to arrange delivery

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