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Thread: Reintroduction of Exotic Shrimp Trading

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    Valued AL members,

    As a team, the moderators & administrators have discussed strategies to manage conflict arising from exotic shrimp trading in the Buy/Sell/Swap forum.

    Much of this conflict has taken place behinds the scenes via private messaging and alerts, but has taken a lot of work by the AL team to manage. The majority of this had come from the sale of exotic shrimp, particularly expensive and rare variants.

    We had been discussing for a long time how to manage this conflict, and whether to permanently close the sale of these exotic shrimp. This was trialled over the past few months with a temporary ban on the trading of exotic shrimp.

    We want to meet the needs of the AL community as a team of volunteers the best way we can, while minimising this conflict. As such, we are going to trial lifting the current ban, and capping the price at $50 per shrimp. As before, all shrimp for sale must be accompanied by a clear picture of the actual shrimp for sale and all usual conditions of sale in the BSS section and rules of the forum must be met.

    To clarify a situation where multiple shrimp are offered as a group:

    - 10 shrimp for $500 is allowed but only if it is 10 shrimp of the same type and equal value as this equates top $50 per shrimp

    - Let's say Bob is trying to to sell 20 shrimp. There is 19 cherry shrimp and 1 king kong shrimp. Bob is asking $600 for the 20 shrimp. Although this is within the $50 per shrimp condition, it is obvious that not all shrimp are of the same value. In situations like these, moderators will be using their own judgement (or common sense in this case!) to determine whether or not an advertisement aligns with the price cap conditions. If you wish to place an advertisement of this nature, please contact a moderator beforehand to confirm it's alignment with the price cap conditions.


    The AL team will be closely monitoring the trade of exotic shrimp and any breach of the above conditions will result in an immediate ban.

    If you are unclear about the above conditions, do not hesitate in contacting a moderator.

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    Like! and thank you for the hard work

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    Thanks for the efforts of the team, but I don't see how this could be a realistic solution. As you know, many of the better quality 'standard' strains are worth more than $50ea without considering the price of the more rare and difficult to acquire strains.
    It would be like capping the price of all goods sold on AL - not realistic.
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    Awesome, I have yellow cherries I want to sell

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    Bring in -Fees..... everyone loves fees

    ***The basic cost of selling an item is the insertion fee plus the final value fee, plus fees for any optional features and services you may use:
    When you list an item, you're charged an insertion fee.

    If the item sells, you're also charged a final value fee. Final value fees are calculated based on the total amount of the sale.******

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    too hard to monitor. Eg "i have 1 SSS CRS for sale, PM me." (1 sells in pm), "Still available" (2 more sell in PM). "price drop"-which saves you final value fee- adding insult to injury.

    THe mods have set their rules, i dont see this changing, however i do see a five page thread of suggestions. $50 is fair i recon. Its about time people realised that they just aren't worth more than that regardless of how many snow white or golden you keep in your A grade tank churning out quick-fix high grades. The shrimp hobby has become very dollar orientated, and this coming from a retailer. Its fine to breed valuable creatures, but when the reason you breed them becomes their value things turn quite ugly, and uncharacteristic of this forum.

    This is not meant to incite or offend, just forum love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EXOTIC AQUATIC View Post
    too hard to monitor. Eg "i have 1 SSS CRS for sale, PM me." (1 sells in pm), "Still available" (2 more sell in PM). "price drop"-which saves you final value fee- adding insult to injury.

    THe mods have set their rules, i dont see this changing, however i do see a five page thread of suggestions. $50 is fair i recon. Its about time people realised that they just aren't worth more than that regardless of how many snow white or golden you keep in your A grade tank churning out quick-fix high grades. The shrimp hobby has become very dollar orientated, and this coming from a retailer. Its fine to breed valuable creatures, but when the reason you breed them becomes their value things turn quite ugly, and uncharacteristic of this forum.

    This is not meant to incite or offend, just forum love.
    Honestly,
    I agree with EA.
    I mean, shrimp shouldn't be worth $200 each..
    Anyways, just my opinion..
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    I agree that they "shouldn't" be worth $200... but unfortunatly thats the way prices go... I dont think houses should be worth 2, 3, 5 hundred thousand or more... but they are...

    I think we should all be happy that we can trade shrimp again, as the majority are not interested in these high priced shrimp but trading the more comon one

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    Good to see, maybe I can sell off some Sunkist orange culls cheap.

    $50 is fair too, not much around worth more than that anyway.

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    Nice to see this back. Just for consistency on fair pricing, can we please have the same for all other species being sold on AL?
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    This is a reasonable balance between allowing people to start into the shrimp hobby, and not allowing people to make $1000s without giving anything back to the forum (that is, being a sponsor)
    The forum is a great place for people to learn about shrimp keeping and breeding. What planted tank doesn't benefit from a crustacean or two??
    A $50 cap will also prevent the sale and discussion of shrimp not bred locally.
    Look forward to seeing what pretties people have in their tanks and what new colour morphs are popping up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EXOTIC AQUATIC View Post
    too hard to monitor. Eg "i have 1 SSS CRS for sale, PM me." (1 sells in pm), "Still available" (2 more sell in PM). "price drop"-which saves you final value fee- adding insult to injury.

    THe mods have set their rules, i dont see this changing, however i do see a five page thread of suggestions. $50 is fair i recon. Its about time people realised that they just aren't worth more than that regardless of how many snow white or golden you keep in your A grade tank churning out quick-fix high grades. The shrimp hobby has become very dollar orientated, and this coming from a retailer. Its fine to breed valuable creatures, but when the reason you breed them becomes their value things turn quite ugly, and uncharacteristic of this forum.

    This is not meant to incite or offend, just forum love.
    Can't agree more. Shrimp should be the hobby for everyone, not a way to make big money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evicene View Post
    I agree that they "shouldn't" be worth $200... but unfortunatly thats the way prices go... I dont think houses should be worth 2, 3, 5 hundred thousand or more... but they are...

    I think we should all be happy that we can trade shrimp again, as the majority are not interested in these high priced shrimp but trading the more comon one
    Yes. I understand.
    I hate how houses are overly priced
    I want a dog, but my parents won't let till we move
    Anyways, I like the new rule haha
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    As a relatively newbie to exotic shrimp, I welcome this decision. As a serious collector of rare terrestrial plants that can fetch hundreds or thousands of dollars each, I understand how online sales can become a source of endless dispute.

    A $50 price limit seems a sensible move to prevent the forum becoming a haven for rogue traders and being swamped by disputes. I'm not sure that i would ever spend that much on a single animal advertised online anyway. Serious collectors and traders in high priced livestock should probably be encouraged to make their own arrangements far from the madding crowd.

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    I agree with Jodi & Adrian. Red Cherries are invaluable in a tank. CRS are cute the way they hover like bees from plant to plant. If there are specialist imported pedigree shrimp deserving more money than that, then a specialist shrimp forum would be more appropriate to keep the love flowing here. But then again, I think Dave & juls native shrimp are HIGHLY UNDERRATED as inclusions in this area of the hobby. I am biased, but damn, aussie fauna needs a bigger fan base. Just my opinion. Carry on.

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