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    Hi guys the report reads as a hap hazard scientific report lacking credibility built up by assumptions that a disease that is already in the country would +could have the potential to wipe out both native and captive aquaculture species ? Unfortunately with out enough time to respond effectively this proposed regulation will go unanswered
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    I for one hope that the fish get priced out of the reach of most n00bs. Fish are an undervalued commoditiy. We need to respect them.

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    Members of the public, aquarists who are passionate about their fish standing on soapboxes, beating their indignant chests, pleading their cases is a good thing, especially if it can be proven that this report is erroneous in many areas - i.e. make them look like the idiots they are on the media for taxpayers funds supporting a bunch of learned scientists who lied, got it all wrong & tried to bluff/trick the Govt.

    However, what I would like to know is where the hell are the stakeholders - every single aquarium & local pet shop (if they sell fish), the large chains like PetWise, Pet City etc etc. Are they all lined up in a row, bent over the desk & simply waiting?

    Why haven't they all banded together & had all their customers signing petitions all this time? Hired a sharp solicitor to represent them as a whole? Seems to me they've all sat back in an apathetic heap waiting for the inevitable.

    When anyone takes a matter to the ACCC they publish incoming submissions on their website daily - why doesn't this slacka$$ mob, or is it that they just haven't received any to publish hmm?
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    I think they may be madly trying to write official submissions given the extremely tight deadline, and have no time for public comment.

    Weq, I understand you comment but unfortunately the testing regime being suggested by the report will kill far more fish than any collection of noobs. Also, we are talking about people's livelihoods here. I've a real bee in my bonnet because the science behind this is extremely poor. This is so unfair. If you're going to loose your business or job, you'd like there to be a actual justified reason for this. Wouldn't make it any easier, but at least it wouldn't be pure injustice.

    Bob, there may be less fish taken than you think, but where do you find a PCR testing facility geared to run the samples? How are the fish to be collected, killed, stored and processed such that all parties are satisfied there hasn't been cross-contamination. The recommendation of PCR testing is unworkable until commercial testing facilities are to process the samples at an acceptable turnaround rate.
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    Is anyone able to send me a copy of this paper? I don't have access to the journal. Thanks in advance.

    Jeong JB, Kim HY, Jun LJ, Lyu JH, Park NG, Kim JK, Jeong HD (2008b) Outbreaks and risks of infectious spleen and kidney necrosis virus disease in freshwater ornamental fishes. Diseases of Aquatic Organisms 78: 209-215.

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    I don't think the larger chains care less about the changes proposed. They will still have fish in tanks to sell, maybe not quite the same range, maybe some at higher prices but fish none the less. Even smaller general LFS will still trade through on the same basis.

    It will for the most part only seriously impact on those outlets that, like Fishchick, have specialised in small quantity imports of the rarer and more specialised fish and the hobbyists that bought them.

    As Bob stated, earlier changes to quarantine requirements upped the price of Neons but they are still available and will continue to be so. It will in fact be the "Noobs" that will dictate what fish are ultimately available as "Noobs" buy far more fish than experienced hobbyists making "Noob" fish financially viable to import.

    I don't agree with legislation being based on flawed science nor establishing requirements that are impossible or overly onerous to meet but these changes aren't being proposed simply to destroy the aquarium industry. They are intended to protect native fish stocks and the aquaculture industry from a potentially devastating disease. Many state that the likelihood of fish being released into the wild is remote and even if does occur they wouldn't last long. The evidence unfortunately does not support this claim.

    Unfortunately there will be some casualties resulting from this tightening of the rules, there will also be some new commercial opportunities arising with local breeding becoming financially viable and increased need for quarantine/ testing facilities.

    The hobby has always been a resourceful entity and I think in time it will overcome these setbacks and continue to flourish.

    And don't forget there are always natives!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brushy View Post
    Is anyone able to send me a copy of this paper? I don't have access to the journal. Thanks in advance.

    Jeong JB, Kim HY, Jun LJ, Lyu JH, Park NG, Kim JK, Jeong HD (2008b) Outbreaks and risks of infectious spleen and kidney necrosis virus disease in freshwater ornamental fishes. Diseases of Aquatic Organisms 78: 209-215.
    Don't have access to the journal but you can access a slightly dodgy cached version here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weq View Post
    I for one hope that the fish get priced out of the reach of most n00bs. Fish are an undervalued commoditiy. We need to respect them.
    If you take away a key market segment will your LFS still be able to do business? Will a business be able to attract customers without it's bread and butter fish?

    A business on average needs to bring in 15-20% new customers each year to stay in business. Customers can be lost for a variety of reasons. (Girard's ferris wheel demonstrates this)

    Like it or not beginners pump alot of money into the industry.

    It's going to hurt alot of small importers. Some saying they will close there doors, others unsure what the future holds in store for them. A tense wait for those with jobs in the industry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saundo View Post
    As Bob stated, earlier changes to quarantine requirements upped the price of Neons but they are still available and will continue to be so. It will in fact be the "Noobs" that will dictate what fish are ultimately available as "Noobs" buy far more fish than experienced hobbyists making "Noob" fish financially viable to import.
    Love the terminology used there Andrew
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    One positive (at least from my perspective) would be an increase in the avaliability and presence of natives in the hobby.

    Brushy I couldn't get that paper either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SOLOMON View Post
    One positive (at least from my perspective) would be an increase in the avaliability and presence of natives in the hobby.

    Brushy I couldn't get that paper either.
    I'm not sure if that is great Solomon. This might mean RF in waterways they should not be amongst other nasties. Might become a nightmare for ANGFA. But I suppose that is still better than finding Platies.
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    'To be honest and in my opinion...' Already looking at the 1 month time frame to reply indicates that they are not interested in a reply from the public. They've been working on this for over 3 years and have booted the one and only "hobby industry representative" a while ago.

    Do you really think they are into hearing what a few goldfish and Tetra keeping hobbiests have to say?

    The big chain stores, which are mostly owned by much bigger companies, don't really give a crap about this new import law, because they are not interested in specialized livestock anyway and import in huge numbers, which is much more profitable.

    LFS have had it hard in the past few years due to online trade, forums such as this, grey imports. etc... and this change will probably knock quite a few more shops off the edge. Sadly, this phenomenon is not new. Have a look around... where have all the local small businesses like butchers, fruit shops, corner stores, cake shops and hardware shops gone?
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    I didn't even read the report...but who is pushing the agenda is it Commercial Fisheries, Wildlife Organisations or some other Industry body?

    I took some photos on assignment for a government report on the Murray Darling and I was amazed of the different views people had.

    Not that I had anything to do with the "working paper" but when I arrived at certain areas (organised) to take photos the stake holders all had something to say....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plantnut View Post
    Have a look around... where have all the local small businesses like butchers, fruit shops, corner stores, cake shops and hardware shops gone?
    Look at the free advertising Bunnings gets here. Items they sell made by an unrelated company and available in other stores still gets referred to as a "bunnings tub/potting mix/plumbing item etc.

    But, on topic perhaps...

    Quote Originally Posted by saundo View Post
    And don't forget there are always natives!!
    This.

    We here it every time there's a scare with imported fish. I know there are plenty of nice natives, I own books just to read about what lives locally and enjoy reading what people on this forum keep. To me, though, they aren't even an option to keeping the fish I like. I just don't want to keep fish, I want the fish I enjoy. You may as well tell me I can't have a cat, but I can have a dog. Same thing, no? :P

    On the whole, I don't think the common "fishkeeper" will suddenly take to natives, or even register that there's a difference. (the number of people who think white clouds, medakas etc are native...)

    If in a magic world where we could only keep natives, I'd probably have some blue eyes in my lounge-room tank and perhaps a characterful fish like a purple spotted gudgeon in another tank, and if I can't bare going without a pond, something that can withstand Melbourne winter. Other than that, I'd probably effectively "quit" the hobby.

    I can only hope this isn't as bad as it all seems. I'm hopeless when it comes to reading or understanding government forms, so I'll just keep an eye out here to see!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoggin eck View Post
    This.

    We here it every time there's a scare with imported fish. I know there are plenty of nice natives, I own books just to read about what lives locally and enjoy reading what people on this forum keep. To me, though, they aren't even an option to keeping the fish I like. I just don't want to keep fish, I want the fish I enjoy. You may as well tell me I can't have a cat, but I can have a dog. Same thing, no? :P

    On the whole, I don't think the common "fishkeeper" will suddenly take to natives, or even register that there's a difference. (the number of people who think white clouds, medakas etc are native...)

    If in a magic world where we could only keep natives, I'd probably have some blue eyes in my lounge-room tank and perhaps a characterful fish like a purple spotted gudgeon in another tank, and if I can't bare going without a pond, something that can withstand Melbourne winter. Other than that, I'd probably effectively "quit" the hobby.

    I can only hope this isn't as bad as it all seems. I'm hopeless when it comes to reading or understanding government forms, so I'll just keep an eye out here to see!
    This isn't a species restriction policy though, this is a quarantine policy (maybe dressed up as one, some could argue) you could still have the allowable species you want..just at exorbitant prices...Cats are evil..

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